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align=left> <p></p></P> <P align=left> 参加专业会议，是具有学术意义的，因为可以听到专业人士的意见 <p></p></P> <P align=left>作者:刘武青(xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx) 2004/06/07 17:03 字节:1K 点击:0次 帖号:48400 <p></p></P> <P align=left>当前论坛: [挑战相对论]讨论区 [hongbin.xilubbs.com] <p></p></P> <P align=left> <p></p></P> <P align=left> 参加专业会议，是具有学术意义的，因为可以听到专业人士的意见<p></p></P> <P align=left>不要认为量子光学专业的人士是傻瓜，他们的专业学术水平比你高。<p></p></P> <P align=left>学术交流是很重要的。<p></p></P> <P align=left> <p></p></P> <P align=left>刘武青，三个效应的发现者，http://cqfyl.nease.net<p></p></P> <P align=left> <p></p></P> <P align=left>====================================== <p></p></P> <P align=left> 这里的人都不是傻瓜，凭这种无聊宣传就认为你的东西是对的。 <p></p></P> <P align=left>作者:清华小猪(xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx) 2004/06/07 13:06 字节:192 点击:7次 帖号:48387 <p></p></P> <P align=left>当前论坛: [挑战相对论]讨论区 [hongbin.xilubbs.com] <p></p></P> <P align=left> <p></p></P> <P align=left> 这只能证明你参加了会议（甚至连这也不能证明，只能证明你收到了邀请，最后你可能无颜登台。当然阁下是不会在乎的，在你的眼里，只要登台就是成功），不能证明别的什么。不要反复做这种没有学术意义的宣传。 <p></p></P> <P 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0pt 24pt; LAYOUT-GRID-MODE: char; TEXT-INDENT: 19.85pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center; mso-layout-grid-align: none; tab-stops: 24.0pt" align=center>太极集团·重庆桐君阁股份公司 重庆渝中区解放西路 1 号 5 楼 邮编 400012<p></p></P><P 0pt 0pt 0pt 24pt; LAYOUT-GRID-MODE: char; mso-layout-grid-align: none; tab-stops: 24.0pt">电话 023-89885201 个人网址 <a href="http://cqfyl.nease.net/" target="_blank" >http://cqfyl.nease.net</A> 电子信箱：<a href="mailtcqfyl@tom.com" target="_blank" >cqfyl@tom.com</A><p></p></P><P 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 21pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-layout-grid-align: none; mso-char-indent-count: 2.0; mso-char-indent-size: 10.5pt" align=left>光可以让光电池产生电流，光通过旋转透明介质，对光电池产生的电流及光压力、光波长、光强度等等光学数据，与光通过此透明介质静止时的光学数据不相同的现象称为光源旋转效应。列别捷夫没有用光源动态的观点去研究光压力，爱因斯坦没有用光源动态的观点去研究光量子的能量公式、光电方程。密立根没有用光源动态的方式测定普朗克常数，康普顿也没有用光源动态的观点去思考康普顿效应。喇曼也没有用光源动态的观点去思考喇曼效应。本论文是光通过旋转透明介质产生的光学现象实验，用光谱仪测量光的波长变化、光的强度变化。进一步确认了光通过相对运动的透明介质与光通过相对静止的透明介质产生的光学数据不相同的光学现象。进一步证实了爱因斯坦光量子的能量公式、光电方程、康普顿效应、喇曼效应有局限性，普朗克常数不是普适常数，离心力影响光压力。<p></p></P><P 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 21pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-layout-grid-align: none; mso-char-indent-count: 2.0; mso-char-indent-size: 10.5pt" align=left>1887年，德国物理学家赫兹发现光电效应。<p></p></P><P 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 21pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-layout-grid-align: none; mso-char-indent-count: 2.0; mso-char-indent-size: 10.5pt" align=left>1899年，俄国物理学家列别捷夫用实验测得了光压力，证实了麦克斯韦的预言。<p></p></P><P 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 21pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-layout-grid-align: none; mso-char-indent-count: 2.0; mso-char-indent-size: 10.5pt" align=left>1900年，德国物理学家普朗克提出量子概念。<p></p></P><P 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 21pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-layout-grid-align: none; mso-char-indent-count: 2.0; mso-char-indent-size: 10.5pt" align=left>1905年，物理学家爱因斯坦提出光量子概念并得出光电效应方程，光量子的能量公式E=hυ及光电方程1/2mv<SUP>2</SUP>=hυ-w<p></p></P><P 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 21pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-layout-grid-align: none; mso-char-indent-count: 2.0; mso-char-indent-size: 10.5pt" align=left>1916年，英国物理学家密立根证实了爱因斯坦的光电方程，并测定了普朗克常数h值。<p></p></P><P 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 21pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-layout-grid-align: none; mso-char-indent-count: 2.0; mso-char-indent-size: 10.5pt" align=left>1922年，美国物理学家康普顿发现康普顿效应，中国物理学家吴有训做了大量实验，与康普顿共同确认康普顿效应。在一些文献上称为康普顿--吴效应。<p></p></P><P 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 21pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-layout-grid-align: none; mso-char-indent-count: 2.0; mso-char-indent-size: 10.5pt" align=left>1928年，印度物理学家喇曼发现喇曼效应，当单色光通过透明介质时，有一些光受到散射。散射光的光谱，除了含有原来波长的一些光以外，还含有一些另外波长的光，其波长与原来光的波长相差一定的数值。这种单色光被介质分子散射后频率发生改变的现象，称为并合散射效应，又称为喇曼效应。喇曼效应为光的量子理论提供了新的证据。<p></p></P><P 0pt; LAYOUT-GRID-MODE: char; LINE-HEIGHT: 14pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-layout-grid-align: none; tab-stops: 0pt; mso-line-height-rule: exactly" align=left> 他们是从光源所在物体处在静态的条件下进行研究的，没有从光源所在物体动态的条件下进行研究，也没有从光源所在物体原处旋转的角度去研究光量子的能量及光电方程、康普顿效应、喇曼效应、光压力，没有用光源所在物体动态（旋转）的方式测定普朗克常数h值。<p></p></P><P 0pt">光的多普勒－斐索效应是光源对观察者的距离是远离或靠近，光源旋转效应是光源与观察者的距离基本不变。因此，两者对比，除了频率的变化特征有区别外，光的强度变化也可以看到区别，在运动速度匀速条件下，多普勒－裴索效应对观察者来说，由于有远离与靠近两种状态，光强度有减小或增强两种情况出现，在转速匀速条件下，光源旋转效应对观察者来说，光的强度是固定值。<p></p></P><P 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 21pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-layout-grid-align: none; mso-char-indent-count: 2.0; mso-char-indent-size: 10.5pt" align=left>本文让光通过旋转透明介质,与通过静止透明介质,射到光谱仪上，两种状态产生的光的波长、光的强度进行比较，光的波长是不同的，光的强度也是不同的。用光通过旋转透明介质的方式，证明有新的光学现象产生，确认光源旋转效应成立。（光通过透明介质后光作为二次光源）。<p></p></P><P 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 21pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-layout-grid-align: none; mso-char-indent-count: 2.0; mso-char-indent-size: 10.5pt" align=left>实验原理：一个物体，旋转与静止比较，旋转所具有的能量（动量）大，物体旋转还同时具有离心力。旋转透明介质具有动量（能量）、离心力，而此透明介质静止时没有动量、离心力。光具有质量、动量、能量、光压力，当光通过旋转透明介质，所获得的动量、能量多一点，光压力增加。 <p></p></P><P 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 21pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-layout-grid-align: none; mso-char-indent-count: 2.0; mso-char-indent-size: 10.5pt" align=left>实验方法：具体做法是，将凸透镜中央钻一个孔，将螺杆穿入孔中，两个螺母夹紧凸透镜。然后，螺杆上在电钻夹头上。在凸透镜的上方，有散射绿色光的存在，散射绿色光源与凸透镜的距离固定。散射绿光通过凸透镜后，由于凸透镜的聚光作用，聚光照到光纤采样头部（即受光处）。<p></p></P><P 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 21pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-layout-grid-align: none; mso-char-indent-count: 2.0; mso-char-indent-size: 10.5pt" align=left>在凸透镜与受光处（采光处）同样距离、同一位置条件下，当凸透镜旋转与静止时，光谱仪的读数是不同的。散射光通过静止凸透镜，形成光束到达光谱仪，有一组读数。散射光通过旋转凸透镜，形成光束到达光谱仪，有一组读数。比较这两个读数之差。<p></p></P><P 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 21pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-layout-grid-align: none; mso-char-indent-count: 2.0; mso-char-indent-size: 10.5pt" align=left>当光通过旋转透明介质后，到达光谱仪，与此旋转透明介质静止时光通过以同样距离到达光谱仪，光谱仪显示的光波长、光的强度读数是不同的，确认了光源旋转效应成立。<p></p></P><P 0pt; LAYOUT-GRID-MODE: char; TEXT-INDENT: 21pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 15pt; TEXT-ALIGN: right; mso-layout-grid-align: none; mso-char-indent-count: 2.0; mso-char-indent-size: 10.5pt; mso-line-height-rule: exactly" align=right>喇曼效应与光源旋转效应的实验方式区别在于：喇曼效应实验中的透明介质是静止的，光源旋转效应中的透明介质是旋转（运动）的。喇曼效应：散射光中有新的不同波长成分，与散射物质的结构密切有关。光源旋转效应：散射光中有新的不同波长成分，与散射物质的结构密切有关外，还与透明介质的转动状态有关。高速、低速、匀速、加速、减速。光源旋转效应是光源在原处旋转产生新的物理现象。 2004年第十一届量子光学学术会议论文摘要（祥细内容在互联网中搜索“刘武青”“三个效应”）<B> </B><p></p></P></td></tr></table> </div> <div id="comment_167260" class="cm"> </div> <div id="post_rate_div_167260"></div> </div> </div> </td></tr> <tr><td class="plc plm"> </td> </tr> <tr 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民科们没有将现有的理论作为神来看待。我们知道，民科们对现有的某些理论是持怀疑态度的，根本没有将某些现有理论神化。 因此，《土著将美军神化一事》与《民科写论文用统一格式及进行学术讨论，参加学术会议一事》均视为神化行为是错误的。 这里将田松博士写的文中一段原文摘要附后。 刘武青、三个效应的发现者、<a href="http://cqfyl.nease.net" target="_blank" >http://cqfyl.nease.net</A> =========================================== 全文在网站 <a href="http://www.shc2000.com/0403/minjiank.htm" target="_blank" >http://www.shc2000.com/0403/minjiank.htm</A> 载《北京科技大学学报（社会科学版）》2004年第1期 民间科学爱好者的行为及心理分析 田 松 （北京大学哲学系，北京，100871） ................................ 从局外人的角度看，民科的行为类似于行为艺术。但是从其自身看，则与行为艺术有着本质的区别。这是因为一个行为艺术家知道自己在做什么，知道自己在做艺术。而民科则认为自己所从事的真的是科学。在我看来，民科的行为有更多的巫术特征。 物理学家费曼曾经讲过这样一个故事： 二战结束后，南太平洋某地土著中出现了一种奇特的祭拜仪式。他们在原来的美军机场旁盖了间小茅屋，屋顶插着几根竹子，还有人坐在屋里，头上绑着两块木头。大概还会有人手举小旗在机场上跑来跑去，不停地仰望蓝天。这个场面一定让人类学家感到兴奋，而谜底却让人啼笑皆非。他们是在等待飞机。他们在战时看惯了美军飞机降落的场景，也常能分到机舱里卸下的东西。美军撤离后，这些好处便再也没有了。于是他们用木块来模拟耳机，用竹竿来模拟天线，重复他们所观察到的美军的操作过程，期待轰隆隆的飞机从天而降。 （3） 民科的行为与此相似，他们模拟科学共同体的某些行为，写论文，进行学术讨论，参加学术会议，在论文的写作上也尽可能地模仿，比如内容摘要、主题词、索引、致谢等，一应俱全。一方面，通过这种模拟，他们能够获得一种替代性的满足，就如唱卡拉OK一般模仿歌星一样；另一方面，他们认为这种方式真的就是他们所模仿的内容。 ................................... ============================================== Follow Ups: 对田松博士的意见的一些看法! - flytiger 2004-06-14 21:19:32 赞成你的看法。科学是迷信过去的民科，不识今天的民科，永远会这样。 - youngler 2004-06-14 22:12:04 </P></td></tr></table> </div> <div id="comment_167410" class="cm"> </div> <div id="post_rate_div_167410"></div> </div> </div> </td></tr> <tr><td class="plc plm"> </td> </tr> <tr id="_postposition167410"></tr> <tr> <td class="pls"></td> <td class="plc" style="overflow:visible;"> <div class="po hin"> <div class="pob cl"> <em> <a class="fastre" href="forum.php?mod=post&action=reply&fid=1&tid=21692&repquote=167410&extra=&page=1" onclick="showWindow('reply', this.href)">回复</a> <a class="replyadd" href="forum.php?mod=misc&action=postreview&do=support&tid=21692&pid=167410&hash=8a6abab7" onclick="showWindow('login', this.href)" 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align=left><FONT size=3>实验设备分三方面：一、一次光源。二、透镜。三、测量仪器<p></p></FONT></P> <P align=left><FONT size=3>一次光源是固定不动的，这里用的是室内光线。测量仪器也是固定不动的，这里用光谱仪。<p></p></FONT></P> <P align=left><FONT size=3>透镜是作为二次光源对待的，透镜分为两种状态，静止与旋转。旋转即是运动，也可以这样说，透镜分为静止与运动两种状态。<p></p></FONT></P> <P align=left><FONT size=3>一次光源的光，分别通过这两种状态的透镜，对测量仪器，产生了两组数据，一组是透镜静止状态的数据。另一组是透镜旋转状态（运动状态）的数据。<p></p></FONT></P> <P align=left><FONT size=3>这两组数据的不同，确认了光源旋转效应成立。<p></p></FONT></P> <P align=left><FONT size=3>有人问在透镜旋转过程中透镜有横向、纵向的振动会怎样？<p></p></FONT></P> <P align=left><FONT size=3>答：透镜横向、纵向的振动仍然是属于透镜运动的范畴。<p></p></FONT></P> <P ><FONT face=宋体 size=3>因此，在测量仪器中产生的两组数据，其中一组肯定是由于光源旋转（光源运动）产生的数据。因为，大前提是一次光源静止不动，测量仪器也静止不动。唯一运动的是透镜，而透镜的状态分两种，静止与运动两种状态。</FONT></P> <P align=left><FONT size=3>光源匀速旋转与光源静止对光谱仪产生的数据差：波长读数-0.36</FONT>，<FONT size=3>光波长减小</FONT>。<FONT size=3>光强度读数+39.0，光强度增加，从所用的实验设备和方法来看，这数据是可靠的。数据差别不是由实验误差产生的，而是由于凸透镜旋转与静止的不同条件下产生的。对这数据的差别，现有理论不能进行解释，是新的物理现象。<p></p></FONT></P></td></tr></table> </div> <div id="comment_167413" 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