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cellpadding="0"><tr><td class="t_f" id="postmessage_488829"> honeywel确实是采用铱金坩埚，可能是生长方法的缘故衬底只能最大到4英寸。据说高成本的原因之一就是为了消除晶体中的气泡和不溶物。</td></tr></table> </div> <div id="comment_488829" class="cm"> </div> <div id="post_rate_div_488829"></div> </div> </div> </td></tr> <tr><td class="plc plm"> </td> </tr> <tr id="_postposition488829"></tr> <tr> <td class="pls"></td> <td class="plc" style="overflow:visible;"> <div class="po hin"> <div class="pob cl"> <em> <a class="fastre" href="forum.php?mod=post&action=reply&fid=40&tid=69853&repquote=488829&extra=page%3D1&page=5" onclick="showWindow('reply', this.href)">回复</a> <a class="replyadd" href="forum.php?mod=misc&action=postreview&do=support&tid=69853&pid=488829&hash=71a4871c" onclick="showWindow('login', this.href)" onmouseover="this.title = ($('review_support_488829').innerHTML ? $('review_support_488829').innerHTML : 0) + ' 人 支持'">支持 <span id="review_support_488829"></span></a> <a class="replysubtract" 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俺前段时间参加了由重庆市政府主办的中英光电产业对接洽谈会，其中在北碚区政府办公会议室和英国光电协会会长带队的一些有关光电子的企业进行了交流，北碚有五家企业参加：两家做望远镜的、一家做LED灯具的、另外是四联和我们。在会上北碚区雷区长介绍了LED产业园的规划和规模：以四联购买HONEYWELL技术为主的led产业园近期年产值100亿，远期年产值达1000亿。我在会上没有说一句话，也不能在这种场合说让人扫兴的话煞风景。我挺佩服我们的政府要造福一方的决心、信心、勇气和努力。可是我要说的是还要加上相关学者、专家科学的、系统的论证后做出较为符合自身实际的、切实可行的有效方案；本人认为要想打造所谓“千亿LED产业园”不是一件简单的事，必须要形成一条产业链，而每个链上的企业都得有相当规模量（企业数量、产量）后才能实现这一“宏伟”目标。就凭四联和其他股东东拼西凑区区三千万美金要想达到100亿简直是夜郎自大、天方夜谭；更不要说1000亿。更何况honeywell技术下的衬底会否有市场和生存能力？如果真是那样的话，重庆、北碚的led产业梦该何去何从--------，但愿那一天不要来临。</td></tr></table> </div> <div id="comment_488845" class="cm"> </div> <div id="post_rate_div_488845"></div> </div> </div> </td></tr> <tr><td class="plc plm"> </td> </tr> <tr id="_postposition488845"></tr> <tr> <td class="pls"></td> <td class="plc" style="overflow:visible;"> <div class="po hin"> <div class="pob cl"> <em> <a class="fastre" href="forum.php?mod=post&action=reply&fid=40&tid=69853&repquote=488845&extra=page%3D1&page=5" onclick="showWindow('reply', this.href)">回复</a> <a class="replyadd" 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id="postmessage_490480"> 看看，大家再整点水儿出来啊<img src="static/image/smiley/default/em31.gif" smilieid="60" border="0" alt="" /> <img src="static/image/smiley/default/em31.gif" smilieid="60" border="0" alt="" /> <img src="static/image/smiley/default/em31.gif" smilieid="60" border="0" alt="" /></td></tr></table> </div> <div id="comment_490480" class="cm"> </div> <div id="post_rate_div_490480"></div> </div> </div> </td></tr> <tr><td class="plc plm"> </td> </tr> <tr id="_postposition490480"></tr> <tr> <td class="pls"></td> <td class="plc" style="overflow:visible;"> <div class="po hin"> <div class="pob cl"> <em> <a class="fastre" href="forum.php?mod=post&action=reply&fid=40&tid=69853&repquote=490480&extra=page%3D1&page=5" onclick="showWindow('reply', this.href)">回复</a> <a class="replyadd" href="forum.php?mod=misc&action=postreview&do=support&tid=69853&pid=490480&hash=71a4871c" onclick="showWindow('login', this.href)" onmouseover="this.title = ($('review_support_490480').innerHTML ? 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四联的决策和蓝宝石产业以及半导体照明产业链的规划和实施方案经过较长时间和多方位的论证，正在按计划实施，相信结果一定会比计划的更好！！</td></tr></table> </div> <div id="comment_494740" class="cm"> </div> <div id="post_rate_div_494740"></div> </div> </div> </td></tr> <tr><td class="plc plm"> </td> </tr> <tr id="_postposition494740"></tr> <tr> <td class="pls"></td> <td class="plc" style="overflow:visible;"> <div class="po hin"> <div class="pob cl"> <em> <a class="fastre" href="forum.php?mod=post&action=reply&fid=40&tid=69853&repquote=494740&extra=page%3D1&page=5" onclick="showWindow('reply', this.href)">回复</a> <a class="replyadd" href="forum.php?mod=misc&action=postreview&do=support&tid=69853&pid=494740&hash=71a4871c" onclick="showWindow('login', this.href)" onmouseover="this.title = ($('review_support_494740').innerHTML ? $('review_support_494740').innerHTML : 0) + ' 人 支持'">支持 <span id="review_support_494740"></span></a> <a class="replysubtract" href="forum.php?mod=misc&action=postreview&do=against&tid=69853&pid=494740&hash=71a4871c" 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onclick="setCopy(this.href, '帖子地址复制成功');return false;"> <em>56</em>楼</a> </strong> <div class="pti"> <div class="pdbt"> </div> <div class="authi"> <img class="authicn vm" id="authicon495753" src="static/image/common/online_member.gif" /> <em id="authorposton495753">发表于 2008-11-14 21:42:31</em> <span class="pipe">|</span> <a href="http://bbs.oecr.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=69853&page=5&authorid=47498" rel="nofollow">只看该作者</a> </div> </div> </div><div class="pct"><div class="pcb"> <h2>回复 55# lsysic 的帖子</h2> <div class="t_fsz"> <table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td class="t_f" id="postmessage_495753"> 希望北碚对待led产业有论证，我担心北碚区政府被人忽悠了。既然说到了四联，请问楼主能举例你们凭什么说能做到100亿人民币，请明白不是越南盾哟。难道凭3000万美金的投资就可以达到100亿？要是这样真行的话，我劝那些提作脑袋贩毒的人不要去干违法的事，你们就投蓝宝石就行，并且是政府鼓励的产业，高利润？你们难道不是在胡悠人吗？有这么高的利润吗？我不看好四联的蓝宝石项目，我想你们有不可告人的目的。难道不是吗？请举例说明honeywell现在的led蓝宝石用在了那些公司，有多大的产量？honeywell的衬底已经退出台湾市场，为啥？请你们不要再忽悠政府了，因为北碚的钱不多，还有很多的事要做。</td></tr></table> </div> <div id="comment_495753" class="cm"> </div> <div 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src="static/image/common/online_member.gif" /> <em id="authorposton495966">发表于 2008-11-15 20:39:25</em> <span class="pipe">|</span> <a href="http://bbs.oecr.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=69853&page=5&authorid=18789" rel="nofollow">只看该作者</a> </div> </div> </div><div class="pct"><div class="pcb"> <div class="t_fsz"> <table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td class="t_f" id="postmessage_495966"> 现在市场2寸衬底已经是薄利了吧？<br /> Honeywell好像是被京瓷挤出去的？<br /> 据说其单片成本在27－28美金（03年的），开合即用产品<br /> 3寸、4寸不清楚</td></tr></table> </div> <div id="comment_495966" class="cm"> </div> <div id="post_rate_div_495966"></div> </div> </div> </td></tr> <tr><td class="plc plm"> </td> </tr> <tr id="_postposition495966"></tr> <tr> <td class="pls"></td> <td class="plc" style="overflow:visible;"> <div class="po hin"> <div class="pob cl"> <em> <a class="fastre" href="forum.php?mod=post&action=reply&fid=40&tid=69853&repquote=495966&extra=page%3D1&page=5" onclick="showWindow('reply', this.href)">回复</a> <a class="replyadd" 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56楼，说得好像有点过了哦，不知道你到底是哪个公司的，也不知道你到底了解多少，实在看不下去了。事情是做出来的，没做怎么知道。</td></tr></table> </div> <div id="comment_503960" class="cm"> </div> <div id="post_rate_div_503960"></div> </div> </div> </td></tr> <tr><td class="plc plm"> </td> </tr> <tr id="_postposition503960"></tr> <tr> <td class="pls"></td> <td class="plc" style="overflow:visible;"> <div class="po hin"> <div class="pob cl"> <em> <a class="fastre" href="forum.php?mod=post&action=reply&fid=40&tid=69853&repquote=503960&extra=page%3D1&page=5" onclick="showWindow('reply', this.href)">回复</a> <a class="replyadd" href="forum.php?mod=misc&action=postreview&do=support&tid=69853&pid=503960&hash=71a4871c" onclick="showWindow('login', this.href)" onmouseover="this.title = ($('review_support_503960').innerHTML ? $('review_support_503960').innerHTML : 0) + ' 人 支持'">支持 <span id="review_support_503960"></span></a> <a class="replysubtract" href="forum.php?mod=misc&action=postreview&do=against&tid=69853&pid=503960&hash=71a4871c" 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